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1. Ok, I have been shooting Remington #11 caps on Treso nipples on my ROA. The Winchesters simply didn't piece of work for me. They would typically blow apart and jam up the cylinder to the point I had to remove the cylinder to clear it. I moved to Remington #11's and the problem is solved. I only had someone swear up and down that I should exist using #ten Remington caps on Treso nipples. And so what the heck is the deviation?

2. Equally I understand information technology, #10 caps are slightly narrower than #eleven caps. That said, I've had #10 caps from brand "A" be too narrow and likewise wide from brand "B". If #11 works, then go for information technology. If you have to squeeze the skirt to get a tight fit, try the #10's.

3. Remington #11s are shorter than #10s. Diameter is virtually the same.

4. Ok, here'south the chart again. We really should put this in the glutinous.
   
   By the manner, Winchester caps are only rebranded CCI's.

   And yous don't become three decimal identify precision for four cents apiece. What that means is that those dimensions vary from lot to lot as the machines wear and the cloth properties vary. The CCI No.10'due south that fit today might not fit side by side twelvemonth when you buy another batch; aforementioned thing for the other sizes and brands.

5. mykeal,
   The RWS #1055 is even smaller and longer. Information technology'south the RWS equivalent to a #ten. They don't fit anything I own.

6. I tried looking around to encounter where I could purchase RWS caps. I idea I'd give them a try. They're non generally available and what I did find were expensive. Add in that you have to buy them a one thousand at a fourth dimension and the hazmat fee...wow.

   I just shipped my ROA off to Lee's Gunsmithing to permit Rowdy Yates accept his way with information technology...so I'll guess I'll have some time to cast some bullets upward...

7. Dynamit Nobel RWS 1075, different lots, fits everyhting I have.
   Uberti Walker, Dragoon, 51 Navy and an original R&S with, aftermarket, nipples.
   They are German made, perchance that's why they are more plush in the United states.

   CCI eleven needed to be pinched, therefore I quit using CCI.
   Pricing of Dynamit Noble and CCI caps is identical here.

   Hildo

8. I was on the phone with CCI ammo today, I was told the reference ID (inside diameter) for the #11 and #xi magnum percussion caps are 0.1683

9. I had no luck at all with CCI/Winchester. I tried #10'southward and #eleven'due south and neither fit well. Every cylinder full seemed to have some problem that ultimately ended with removing the cylinder and immigration debris. I changed to Remington caps and no issues at all, shot afterward shot.

10. Which No. 10, CCI or Remington?

11. AbitNutz, try anew set of nipples. there seems to be very lilliputian standard in nipples. I had a set of tresco's that would not fit #xi that well but did fit #xi mag's, I changed them out and the new prepare (aforementioned make/model) and they fit super well.

12. mykeal ~ might I add together this visual to continue with your data ~ ~

    

13. information technology is copper and corrugated so size volition change with pressure. which means between production, packing, shipping, loading/unloading, fatty fingers etc.. that size will vary heavily. It is designed to bend and move after all.

    Ed

14. Perchance it would be better if nosotros did away with nipples on revolvers entirely. I've seen some cylinders made in Europe that use the 209 shotgun primer.

    I'm non exactly how that works; what you need to seat the primer or how you de-cap it. Information technology does seem to offer better ignition and you never have to worry about incorrect fit, splitting and jamming.

15. I take no difficulty believing that. The inside bore measurement is very difficult to make reliably; I measured at least 20 samples of each brand and size, and made at to the lowest degree 3 inside diameter measurements on each cap. The numbers were all over the identify. What you run across in the chart is an arithmetic boilerplate. Others have attempted to verify/refute the numbers and study similar difficulties. CCI's four decimal identify spec is a bit agreeable as it implies 0.00005 tolerance precision, which is clearly silly in a 4 cent function.

16. it's not empty-headed when the die used is that now what comes out is that size yeah but after all the banging around and getting picked upward etc.. plus soft metal things get distorted and bent hands.

17. There are a few differant length cones ... three not counting thread types short sort, brusque and long I have run across SS bein' the Santa Barbara, brusk say Uberti, and long Euroarms/ASP. That cap chart shows the number 10 Rem cap bein' longer they work best on my Due south.B. Rems ... the Rem xi's work best on most Colts, for me. Now the CCI #11 was a perfect fit on my 1861 Sometime Army Rem ~ only I have to clasp a hair CCI#xi's on my Piettas.
    Expert topic thanks for makin' me recall and the Charts... I learned sumfin :O)

18. Mykeal,
    The RWS 1055 is the RWS version of a #x cap and happens to exist the smallest cap I've ever bought. It probably is closer to the CCI #10 simply because the CCI #10 is the smallest of those available.
    What I like virtually the Rem#10 is that it is "pre-split" and will bell out to fit a greater diversity of nipple cone shapes than the more than rigid CCIs and RWS caps. The Rems don't fall off under recoil either. I accept supervene upon some of my ASM and Piettas with the Uncle Mike's/Butler creek stainless nipples simply my Uberti and Euroarms '58 Remingtons all thake the Rem#x cap as well as the Uberti Walkers and Dragoon.

19. From an old Colt Industries pamphlet:
    "Percussion caps are now made in sizes from nine to xiii. 10 and eleven are the best numbers for the small and medium-sized arms, and twelve for the larger sizes, although, every bit dissimilar-sized nipples are sometimes met in specimens of the aforementioned model, no difficult and fast rule can be given. Information technology is meliorate to take caps slightly likewise large than too minor, equally large caps can be pinched together at the bottom enough so they will stay on the nipples, but minor ones must be driven down on the nipple by the blow of the hammer, and this process frequently cushions the accident to the extent of producing a misfire."

21. Abitnutz, that'southward what I shoot. Remington #10's and Remington #11's. Never have had a trouble. Don't know if whatsoever of the others would work or not because I'vd never tried them. I know I'vd shot Remington for many a year. I'll tell you lot what I have never been able to understand. Like for instance my Transmission that came with each of my 2 '47's told me to use #11 caps. I practice. They fit perfectly on both Walker'due south and on the extra cylinders. Right on down the line with each of my guns exist it calling for #10'due south or #xi'southward. Somebody else volition buy a '47 and immediatedly jump on hither and outset screaming nigh how such and such a cap won't fit. Well anyhow, I use Remington #10's and #eleven'due south and utilise one or the other on my guns depending on what the book told me to employ and I take never had a problem and I have been shooting for a pretty damn proficient while....

22. Remington #10s fit my ROA all-time, and CCI #10s now fit my Pietta 1851 Navy .36 all-time. I polished the stock Pietta nipples for a good fit with the CCIs. Out-of-the-box, 11s and Rem 10s were too loose, and CCI #10 were too tight.

23. I've only been shooting black pulverization muzzle-loading rifles (both cap & flintstone) plus cap & ball pistols & revolvers for 30+ years, but i affair I've learned is that the manufacturing of components vary from decade to decade, year to year and lot to lot. So I'll restrict my comments hither to percussion caps purchased in 2009 and cap & brawl revolvers manufactured in 2008-2009.

    Historically I've e'er used Remington #10 percussion caps. Last Spring I was defenseless upward as a victim of percussion cap (and rifle/pistol primer) hording by others, and couldn't shoot for several months. Finally I discovered that one of several local gun stores had Remington #11 percussion caps "hidden in the back of the store". They didn't even accept a total carton, merely 500 percussion caps, bodacious me that they would piece of work with ALL my cap & brawl revolvers, and discounted them at the carton rate.

    Out at the range, with both my 2008 & 2009 product UBERTIs & PIETTAs, the results were IDENTICAL.

    The offset chamber fired and the recoil knocked ALL the five remaining percussion caps off their nipples. 1847, 1851, 1858 & 1860 UBERTI/PIETTA revolvers ALL dropped these Remington #eleven percussion caps at my feet.

    Then I squeezed the remaining Remington #xi percussion caps between my fingers to make them oval shaped. They THEN stayed on, ruined my fingers and ruined many a twenty-four hour period at the guild.

    FINALLY, last month, a shop OUT-OF-STATE received a shipment of Remington #x percussion caps, so I wasted several hours and gallons of gasoline and then I can shoot every week.

    After 200+ shots using electric current Remington #10 percussion caps in my 1847, 1851, 1858 & 1860 UBERTI/PIETTA revolvers, no drops, and no misfires.

24. polished the nipples? How did you practise that?

25. Sagetown,
    would appreciate credit for my photograph.
    And you accept plagiarized the data incorrectly:
    From l. to r.- Rem.#x, Rem.#eleven, Dynamit Nobel#1075, CCI#10, CCI#11.

    This illustration beginning appeared in my article in The Shootist mag, September/October 2007, p.19.
    I have subsequently posted it on threads in CAS City and The Frontier Spot.

    River Metropolis John

    Last edited: Nov 23, 2009

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